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Welfare and you  A rant by: THETRUTH The welfare system is a sink hole of money that the working man gets no benifit from. We give out cash don't maintain it's benifit, or to whom it beifits, such as children. When it is noticed that children are not being cared for with welfare that has been provided by the working man, we take away the neglected kid, more of the working mans money goes to the maintenance of the kid but the kicker is that the idiot parent gets thier check as well. Where welfare fails is that it requires no one to get off their ass and get a job, go to a trainning center or rehab center. We as a city are so much worse off because more and more people are going on welfare, just because it is there and it is easy or they popped a kid out at 14 and and dropped out of school. People need to be held accountable and need to be given a deadline. You have 1 year to get off drugs, get into a funded rehab center, go to a funded education center and finally a job trainning center( all of which exist but are not used to thier full potential and in most cases free) Some exceptions may apply if the person is off drugs. No more years of collecting off the working man it has to stop. People wonder why we have no money for the streets? Take a drive down main, mountain, selkirk. Look at all those people that blow thier welfare check on bingo( wednesday or Friday) then stand in line next door at the food mission house for free food that they could have bought if they used the welfare check for the intended purpose it was given. << Back Add a Comment Comments ( Add a Comment ) THETRUTH says: 2005-10-16 03:25:21 Yeah i am not saying don't help the people, I am saying throwing money at them is not helping. some people need to be forced toward the perameters society has set for people to be heathy, happy and PRODUCTIVE. Anonymous says: 2005-10-16 14:58:45 I love the idea. I think there is such a system in place in the USA. People should have a certain period to get their life back on track or else their benefits would shrink to half the amount. (some kind of penalty, maybe take away bingo...) BigB says: 2005-10-16 22:45:38 I found Disgruntled’s post refreshing. You really seem to have an exorbitant understanding of Canada. I thought all Americans were ignorant. (That sounds ignorant). Thetruth, you have a good point. I agree that there is a lot of abuse in the programs that we have in place to help people. EI, welfare, government grants are all abused. I think of the seasonal workers that have no intention of finding employment over then winter while we pay for them to lounge, the young able-bodied people that sit on the couch and play video games when they could be earning a living rather then collecting welfare, and the people that receive gov. grants to start a biz they intentionally run under, while paying themselves a handsome wage. What we need to realize is that these programs have been created to better society. Canada is a great country and giving to each other and sharing opportunity is what makes us the reason others emulate. Unfortunately there will always be people that abuse a good thing. I agree that we should make it harder for people to abuse it, but we don’t want to make it harder for the people that truly need it to use it. After all, these systems use effectively generate new investors into the programs. Not only will they appreciate the programs, but others will in turn benefit (observe correct spelling:) from that same experience. Paying for their offspring to be in prison? Absurd! Not all problem children are the parent’s fault. Otherwise the kid shouldn’t go to jail for committing crime, the parent should?!?!? What we need is caneing and the death penalty. DisgruntledUSCitizen says: 2005-10-17 00:37:09 I don't know exactly how I feel about the death penalty. On one hand I feel like absolutly child murderers, rapists, and those that torture those who are unable to defend theirself should feel the pain that thier victims felt. On the other day there is something with having to sit in a cell for the rest of your life and ponder it. Big B I hope sometime our paths will cross. To TheTruth I am over our little spat on the Hockey in Winnipeg Rant. I want you to know that I truly feel like your anger could be put to good use when it is focused in positive ways. I am sorry but I do care about using my voice to carry some light to dispell so much darkness that can creep into our hearts through complacency. I haven't slept in five days literally and I snapped at you. I have a tendancy to be on the defensive. I know I have my quirks and we are all just works in progress anyways. Some would probably say Christine...that is my name, by the way, stand up for yourself...don't back down. I am not backing down...I am just realizing that I jump the gun too. Anonymous says: 2005-10-31 23:00:53 I dont know how we got on the topic of death penalty, but I do agree. In some cases, we should just kill off the unproductive and disturbed. Canada, as great as a country is also a weak place. We have a very badly put-together punishment system. People who sell weed get 5 years in prison while a 2nd time murderer or rapist gets 6 months and healing circle. People who suck the governent for welfare keep having kids and recieving more money for them. They keep blowing the money on gambling, (bingo, slots..ect, booze, or non-essential items. Ive seen it, and I think it is complete bullsh*t. These losers just keep breeding more losers. And its not like people on welfare are completely stupid, becuase they know that they get more money doing nothing then trying their hand at a minimum wage paying job. Its the same with seasonal positions, all those people working term positions with the government sit on EI for half the year becuase they get more on EI then they do going to work anywhere else. And that program you are referring to in the US is the 'work-for-welfare' program that the Bush Administration has put into effect. This is the program Michael Moore reffered to in 'Bowling for Columbine', where single mothers and welfare parents are bussed out to work up to 70 hours a week at minimum wage to pay off the welfare they have recieved. This doesnt seem entirely right either since you are taking away the one parent present in most of these families. Maybe Canada should put in place a birth control allowance? Maybe people should not be allowed to have kids unless they make a certain amount of money to pay for them, house them and raise them. China has the one child per family rule to keep their population down, but for Canada, since our population is declining and will be with the baby boomers on the way out, the last thing we need is to stunt our population growth, but if we are going to be paying for the half of them, since a lot of them will be the products of the unproductive, then we are not really losing anything at all. THETRUTH says: 2005-11-05 08:31:31 Yes, the reason a kid is not following the law is because the parent has not control over the kid. When i was young I had to be in at a certain time, and yes they always had to know where I was. they would drive me to school on the way to their jobs and make sure I did my home work. My friends got similar perameters enforced on them as well, and very few got arrested. the ones that did had crappy parents usually. I am not saying good parenting is the cure all but it sure does help. And if a kid is a reapeat offender that is the only way they will do any time or if the kid is put into a group home because the parent is a bad parent, then yes I think that the parent and family should have to sholder the responsibility for the care and maintenance of that child. They brought them into the world and decided to let them run wild and did not instill the proper values in them. Why should we be paying for them Anonymous says: 2006-03-26 10:19:38 Hey they don't only blow it on bingo. I work for a fast food restaurant in the area. They bring their families in for about $70 of food. Then it's dump the kids and go to bingo. Don't forget to include the slum bars in the area. A night of drinking it all away tops of their night until it's time to do it all over again next month. BigB says: 2006-04-10 03:29:07 I've said it before and ill say it again; If you ever want to see a trip to Mardi Gras dirty nate style i suggest you go down Selkirk Ave on a welfare cheque day. The streets are packed with people partying. Drinking in the streets, stumbling around helplessly high. Businesses extend the hours of operations at this time bcs they are aware that this is the busiest time of the month for them. If i was on a really strict budget i would think of doing just that BUDGETING. Especially when kids are involved. How can we read about people complaining that welfare doesn't pay enough when we know that there is a large portion of people that abuse the system. The idea of being on welfare is to NOT enjoy life. It is to help you get by alive until you can start earning you own way. Drinking and snorting shouldn't be an option until you have the money to waste. laundryqueen says: 2006-04-10 17:36:21 Well said BigB! I couldn't agree with you more. My husband and I work hard to support our 4 kids without the help of the system. It really sucks to see two parents sitting on their butts all day raising a family supported by us. At least one of them can GET A JOB! BigB says: 2006-04-12 18:50:00 Happy to hear you are also contributing to society. Personally I think we should be rewarded for it. Not punished! I employee people and pay for their benefits. Perhaps I should be treated better then others, the same way you are treated when you use a platinum card. I should get platinum parking everywhere I go and express lines regardless of quantity when im shopping. Look into that for me would ya? Anonymous says: 2006-04-12 21:44:32 theres a little saying: Dont give them the Fish, Teach them how to catch the fish, if they dont like fish, f@#k'em leave them to rot. twistedmanitoba says: 2006-05-26 21:42:07 i agree that the welfare system needs a total revamping.it should be like how it is in Alberta and BC where if you go to welfare with one kid all they will pay for is that ONE kid. you can have 15 more but it don't make a whole hell of a diffrence, cuz all you gonna get support for is the one! and this topic reminds me of the thing that pissed me off the most! i was on the bus heading to work one morning and these two native girls got on all juiced up(they could not have been more than 16 or 17 years old)and they were talking quite loud, well one of them says ''well i am done school this spring i guess i should get knocked up so i can get welfare'' and her friend goes ''ya i have to do the same thing! i can't work, working is for losers'' OMG i just lost it on them, here i am working my ass off to support little s***s like this? it saddens me to think that the welfare recipients of winnipeg, or rather Manitoba, have such low regard for the system and what it SHOULD represent. it is not a life choice free money grab, it is not a way of life, it is SUPPOSED to be a helping hand when times are rough for the ones who need it and totally intend on returning to work! BigB says: 2006-05-29 20:32:56 I hope that you made that up. In the event that you didn't its really sad. The problem is this is how they have been brought up. They don't understand there is value in hard work. They have just been told by their parent(s) that they deserve to not work. That this is the way life is for a native. And here are the hoops you have to jump to make the most of it. In the same fashion we are taught from our parents actions. My parents were hardworkers and i inturn became a workaholic. I think the blame has to partially lie on the impacting authority figures in their lives. Hopefully being parents. Also educaters could have some part in it. You said they have finished school. Maybe life skills arent being pushed like they should be. Also it is common for a 16 year old to make jokes. Especially if they can see a bunch of white people around them giving reactions that they are looking for...It's hard for me to admit but them nates are ppl too. twistedmanitoba says: 2006-05-29 22:59:14 unfortunately i did not make this up. and it is really sad that it acually happened. i know they are people too, in fact my mother is one and i am metis but we both work our asses off to do what is needed to live. i do not live with her but i know she has always worked very hard to be a good parent to us kids. also i agree that yooungins learn from their authority figures, but why the heLL are there so many slackers when there are so many good companies looking for workers is beyond me. i kinda wonder if they like being below the poverty line. Anonymous says: 2006-05-30 11:28:19 So what do you suggest welfare mothers do with their kids while they work? Daycares have waiting lists years long. Universal child care was voted out, so what now? BigB says: 2006-05-30 13:20:39 Controlled population? China does it, why can't we? If you had to pay a tax for having additional kids rather then getting funds for having them perhaps people would be more responsible... Anonymous says: 2006-05-30 18:16:14 The birth rate already is 1.7. That's why the government brings in thousands of immigrants a year. Anonymous says: 2006-05-31 16:57:15 The government doesnt bring in thousands of immigrants a year just because the birth rate is low, these immigrants buy their way in. Unless we are taking about politcal refugees then thats something completely different. laundryqueen says: 2006-07-31 10:31:11 In regards to the comment where childcare has a waiting list. You need to get off your a$$ and put your kids on several lists. But no. Young moms just keep reproducing increasing their monthly allowance. Not a way to go. Why not dig yourself such a deep hole you'll never get out of? Plus what are you teaching your kids? It's okay not to do anything for yourself because there will always be welfare to take care of you and yours. What is wrong with people? And people on welfare get all the GST from the government where I don't quality because I make too much. They don't pay any taxes. The taxpayers with jobs pay their taxes. Unless you work for a living it's not a pay cheque. Please stop reproducing and fix the problem. Another kid to add to your cheque is NOT the answer! withoutprejudice says: 2006-08-02 09:38:31 This is how the government sees it: they need more population to foot the ever increasing cost of keeping this country rich.(?) Now they can do this by either : pay for more immigrants to enter the country (as in refugee income ie $1200/month) or pay for some welfare person $900/month... sucraman says: 2008-02-07 19:51:44 Did you hear the one about where the dad lives with the kids at his place,while the'mother'sits on her ass at her place,smoking crack with drug dealers,with dirt and boxes of crap all over.Yet somehow she still gets all the money that she got when the kids were with her,months ago,including the maintenance fees that'maintenance' refuses to stop collecting even though they know she does not have the kids and if the guy does'nt make the payments he can't drive,so for months he pays while the kids are with him and welfare refuses to stop sending MONEY to her,even though they know she does not have them.She has manipulated the system to the point where she is still recieving the child tax credit and the guy can get ZERO support from any organization.WTF is wrong with our society And because of unseen circumstances these poor children may end up with this crackhead,with the blessings of Child& family sevices and your local Welfare.WELCOME TO CANADA EH? Banshee says: 2010-03-14 10:52:01 Working man? More like a working woman, hon. You can't even spell, if you were hard-working, you would learn how to spell and put a proper sentence together. And enough with your barely disguised hatred of women. Take a look around Winnipeg, around anywhere perhaps, it's not lazy, selfish women who are FAILING their children, lazy, selfish MEN are. Women don't have time to sit on their asses, boys. Unlike SOME people, hint hint. |
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I am sitting here just kind of blown away. You do speak the truth as the injustice of it all rises to a boil and your passion for the situation you wear on your heartsleeve. I am sorry this system has caused us to be so jaded lest we refuse to have compassion but lend a helping hand to one who could really use the help. There are still people who use this system in the purpose that it was intended. There has to be ways to close the loopholes for people who are abusing the Welfare System. Your plan poses the perfect solution to a problem that could be saving this countries resources for things that are taken for granted such as healthcare or things which this city has become notarious with Compasssion. Places like the Rehabilitation Centre for Children or Princess Hospital Winnipeg, one of Canada's largest cancer care and research hospitals. There are much greater injustices we could be waging war on if we had the resources in which to do so. I have faith that enough people would stand and speak out about the injustices that face a lot of hard-working blue-collar people; like so many families right here in the communities that this city holds. Until we have a society that cares enough about it's citizens to do so we will always be two steps behind instead of one foot forward.